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	<title>Comments on: DISH Researching Hostile TiVo Takeover?</title>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2009-06/dish-researching-hostile-tivo-takeover/comment-page-1/#comment-93579</link>
		<dc:creator>jb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware of Dish when trying to cancel it because they will charge you to send there junk back to them, when they were the one&#039;s that installed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of Dish when trying to cancel it because they will charge you to send there junk back to them, when they were the one&#8217;s that installed it.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
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		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice analysis cobra commander. 

i have a hard time w/the price too but tivo could be a good fit for sister company echostar technologies, which already offers STBs and some nice software to the pay TV industry. as for comcast paying anywhere that kind of price - i&#039;d be shocked to see that considering comcast already has its own sizeable software groups. frankly i don&#039;t think anyone would value tivo as high as dish now would...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice analysis cobra commander. </p>
<p>i have a hard time w/the price too but tivo could be a good fit for sister company echostar technologies, which already offers STBs and some nice software to the pay TV industry. as for comcast paying anywhere that kind of price &#8211; i&#8217;d be shocked to see that considering comcast already has its own sizeable software groups. frankly i don&#8217;t think anyone would value tivo as high as dish now would&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cobra Commander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobra Commander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If DISH makes a bid for TIVO, what would be the price?

So how much is DISH in for? No one knows for sure, but I can take a guess.

I believe the court will order DISH to pay at least $300M. The additional fees would come from the period of mid 08 - present. (Fee of $1.25 per DVR per month determined by the jury. Multiplied by 3 because DISH is in contempt of court during this period.) With the latest $103M ruling, I estimate DISH will owe TIVO $400M.

There is an outstanding injunction from the court, ordering DISH to turn off 4M - 7M boxes in the next 30 days. DISH was granted a stay by the higher appeals court, but this injunction puts DISH in a very bad spot. If DISH had to turn off millions of boxes, it could bankrupt the company. DVR users are most likely their highest paying subscribers. There is an enormous amount of pressure on DISH to do a licensing with TIVO.

The jury assessed TIVO&#039;s licensing fee at $1.25 per box per month. It is debatable whether DISH would have to pay fees on 4M or 7M DVRs (read the court transcripts). If DISH is faced with licensing deal or shutting off DVRs, TIVO will have enormous leverage to jack up the fee. My estimate is $3.75 per box per month.

Low estimate: 4M * $1.25 =&gt; $60M per year
High estimate: 7M * $3.75 =&gt; $315M per year

Licensing fees for 5 years would range from $300M to $1.6B.

If you believe my analysis, DISH is in for $700M-$2B over the next 5 years. As of 6/10/2009, TIVO&#039;s market cap is $1.15B. So, DISH is probably thinking about buying TIVO for $1.5B - $2B.

Personally, I don&#039;t see DISH buying TIVO. If DISH put in an offer, I think Comcast would come in and outbid DISH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If DISH makes a bid for TIVO, what would be the price?</p>
<p>So how much is DISH in for? No one knows for sure, but I can take a guess.</p>
<p>I believe the court will order DISH to pay at least $300M. The additional fees would come from the period of mid 08 &#8211; present. (Fee of $1.25 per DVR per month determined by the jury. Multiplied by 3 because DISH is in contempt of court during this period.) With the latest $103M ruling, I estimate DISH will owe TIVO $400M.</p>
<p>There is an outstanding injunction from the court, ordering DISH to turn off 4M &#8211; 7M boxes in the next 30 days. DISH was granted a stay by the higher appeals court, but this injunction puts DISH in a very bad spot. If DISH had to turn off millions of boxes, it could bankrupt the company. DVR users are most likely their highest paying subscribers. There is an enormous amount of pressure on DISH to do a licensing with TIVO.</p>
<p>The jury assessed TIVO&#8217;s licensing fee at $1.25 per box per month. It is debatable whether DISH would have to pay fees on 4M or 7M DVRs (read the court transcripts). If DISH is faced with licensing deal or shutting off DVRs, TIVO will have enormous leverage to jack up the fee. My estimate is $3.75 per box per month.</p>
<p>Low estimate: 4M * $1.25 =&gt; $60M per year<br />
High estimate: 7M * $3.75 =&gt; $315M per year</p>
<p>Licensing fees for 5 years would range from $300M to $1.6B.</p>
<p>If you believe my analysis, DISH is in for $700M-$2B over the next 5 years. As of 6/10/2009, TIVO&#8217;s market cap is $1.15B. So, DISH is probably thinking about buying TIVO for $1.5B &#8211; $2B.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see DISH buying TIVO. If DISH put in an offer, I think Comcast would come in and outbid DISH.</p>
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		<title>By: ZeoTiVo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZeoTiVo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, I am stuck on the fact that DISH would have lawyers who would get the offiical docs and probably quite some time back analyzed the poison pill as part of a list of strategies to deal with TiVo suit.

Hopefully at 500$ an hour the lawyers could come up with more than a google search. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, I am stuck on the fact that DISH would have lawyers who would get the offiical docs and probably quite some time back analyzed the poison pill as part of a list of strategies to deal with TiVo suit.</p>
<p>Hopefully at 500$ an hour the lawyers could come up with more than a google search. <img src='http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tivoboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tivoboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too bad I took off my 5$ to 10$ trade.  Ah well,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too bad I took off my 5$ to 10$ trade.  Ah well,</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Zatz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Zatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, enjoy a good conspiracy theory. Yeah, it&#039;s probably far fetched but the log data is surely unique/interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, enjoy a good conspiracy theory. Yeah, it&#8217;s probably far fetched but the log data is surely unique/interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis Freeberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis Freeberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lolz - What&#039;s the point of having traffic logs if you&#039;re not going to look at them?  I actually came across the search result a bit by luck, just happened to be logging in and saw the poison pill search, since I had been thinking about the same issue a few days before it caught my eye.

I agree, who knows what it means.  Up to each of you to decide what you to make of it, but no denying that it&#039;s interesting though :)  FWIW - This search result isn&#039;t the reason why I think Dish will make a play here.  It does help to confirm my conspiracy theories, but my thesis is actually based on a lot of things that I didn&#039;t even bring up in my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lolz &#8211; What&#8217;s the point of having traffic logs if you&#8217;re not going to look at them?  I actually came across the search result a bit by luck, just happened to be logging in and saw the poison pill search, since I had been thinking about the same issue a few days before it caught my eye.</p>
<p>I agree, who knows what it means.  Up to each of you to decide what you to make of it, but no denying that it&#8217;s interesting though <img src='http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   FWIW &#8211; This search result isn&#8217;t the reason why I think Dish will make a play here.  It does help to confirm my conspiracy theories, but my thesis is actually based on a lot of things that I didn&#8217;t even bring up in my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one guy at HQ looking a a corporate rights agreement does not make a takeover bid.  nice detective work though.  don&#039;t you have anything better to do than look at logs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one guy at HQ looking a a corporate rights agreement does not make a takeover bid.  nice detective work though.  don&#8217;t you have anything better to do than look at logs?</p>
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