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		<title>By: R. Keyes</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2009-05/heres-why-you-want-bandwidth-caps/comment-page-1/#comment-88001</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Keyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 10:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems with a metered Internet bill is that the consumer doesn&#039;t have complete control over the amount of data being transferred.  Some web pages are laden with all sorts of content that is a significant number of MB, and forced on the user without their choice or often, not even their knowledge. Add to this the non-web content, such as automated software updates, voice-over-IP, games, and the &#039;miscellaneous&#039; Internet traffic, and it&#039;s really difficult for the consumer to monitor and control their usage.

What makes it worse, is that there are villians out there - spammers, fraudsters, fishers, and other miscreants who have the ability to take over the consumer&#039;s computer, and to use their bandwidth for whatever purpose they want, often attacking other computers, spreading the virus or worm that keep on coming around regardless of the vast amount of resources now being devoted to Internet security all over the world. Metered Internet would further exacerbate the security problem, by making bandwidth dear, and whether the miscreant&#039;s motivation is to avoid their own charges or to create a huge bill for a victim out of plain spite, the results are the same.

The people, by and large, want a flat rate. They want to know what their Internet bill is going to be, month in and month out, and avoid unpleasant surprises. The vast majority of users do not spend the majority of their time or their bandwidth on video, though that may change.

There are technical solutions, such as multicast and P2P, which can do much to alleviate network congestion.  Yet P2P, as much as it solves many of the problems with network congestion, angers content creators because they are left without the ability to control the content&#039;s time-shifting. I don&#039;t know of anyone who wouldn&#039;t rather download a video and watch it at their own convenience, than have some sort of streamed video, with its skipping and other defects due to codec inefficiency and network congestion.  I am not ashamed to say I seek out the bootleg copies of TV shows to download and watch, not so much as that I need to escape the commercials (which the &#039;pirate&#039; recomposers remove) as I am the assurance of high quality video, ease of access in the future, and portability (can&#039;t use Hulu on an airplane!). What the media needs to do is to produce videos which are downloadable, storable, and not be so concerned with their ability to control the viewers experience, as they do with streaming content. Sure, some people will remove the ads and trade video collections, but a fast and easy way of obtaining &#039;legitimate&#039; TV episodes will be sufficient for the majority of the population to suffer the ads for the sake of the show. Of course, if there was less repetition of the same ads, saturating the TV for weeks, those people who do take it upon themselves to excise such things as those sickening &#039;free credit report dot com&#039; ads (the whole concept is a scam, but I don&#039;t want to get into that here).

Metered Internet will be the death of the Internet. Metered content kept the proprietary, pre-Internet online services from achieving all that the technology promised. Let&#039;s not return to those dark days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems with a metered Internet bill is that the consumer doesn&#8217;t have complete control over the amount of data being transferred.  Some web pages are laden with all sorts of content that is a significant number of MB, and forced on the user without their choice or often, not even their knowledge. Add to this the non-web content, such as automated software updates, voice-over-IP, games, and the &#8216;miscellaneous&#8217; Internet traffic, and it&#8217;s really difficult for the consumer to monitor and control their usage.</p>
<p>What makes it worse, is that there are villians out there &#8211; spammers, fraudsters, fishers, and other miscreants who have the ability to take over the consumer&#8217;s computer, and to use their bandwidth for whatever purpose they want, often attacking other computers, spreading the virus or worm that keep on coming around regardless of the vast amount of resources now being devoted to Internet security all over the world. Metered Internet would further exacerbate the security problem, by making bandwidth dear, and whether the miscreant&#8217;s motivation is to avoid their own charges or to create a huge bill for a victim out of plain spite, the results are the same.</p>
<p>The people, by and large, want a flat rate. They want to know what their Internet bill is going to be, month in and month out, and avoid unpleasant surprises. The vast majority of users do not spend the majority of their time or their bandwidth on video, though that may change.</p>
<p>There are technical solutions, such as multicast and P2P, which can do much to alleviate network congestion.  Yet P2P, as much as it solves many of the problems with network congestion, angers content creators because they are left without the ability to control the content&#8217;s time-shifting. I don&#8217;t know of anyone who wouldn&#8217;t rather download a video and watch it at their own convenience, than have some sort of streamed video, with its skipping and other defects due to codec inefficiency and network congestion.  I am not ashamed to say I seek out the bootleg copies of TV shows to download and watch, not so much as that I need to escape the commercials (which the &#8216;pirate&#8217; recomposers remove) as I am the assurance of high quality video, ease of access in the future, and portability (can&#8217;t use Hulu on an airplane!). What the media needs to do is to produce videos which are downloadable, storable, and not be so concerned with their ability to control the viewers experience, as they do with streaming content. Sure, some people will remove the ads and trade video collections, but a fast and easy way of obtaining &#8216;legitimate&#8217; TV episodes will be sufficient for the majority of the population to suffer the ads for the sake of the show. Of course, if there was less repetition of the same ads, saturating the TV for weeks, those people who do take it upon themselves to excise such things as those sickening &#8216;free credit report dot com&#8217; ads (the whole concept is a scam, but I don&#8217;t want to get into that here).</p>
<p>Metered Internet will be the death of the Internet. Metered content kept the proprietary, pre-Internet online services from achieving all that the technology promised. Let&#8217;s not return to those dark days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cuthrell</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2009-05/heres-why-you-want-bandwidth-caps/comment-page-1/#comment-87795</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Cuthrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 00:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brett

re: &quot;Even the biggest ISPs pay $30 per Mbps per month, at minimum&quot;

You are -way- -way- off on your pricing. Bigger ISPs and carriers are the ones charging this amount but even a quick scan of open list pricing shows examples such as Cogent selling &lt; $5 per Mbps per month.  Hint: you&#039;ll recall that Sprint yanked their peering connection to them recently.  Yes, bandwidth costs might be -thought- to be predicated on OPEX/CAPEX for the upstream but more importantly they require cooperative pricing levels and charging what the market will bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brett</p>
<p>re: &#8220;Even the biggest ISPs pay $30 per Mbps per month, at minimum&#8221;</p>
<p>You are -way- -way- off on your pricing. Bigger ISPs and carriers are the ones charging this amount but even a quick scan of open list pricing shows examples such as Cogent selling &lt; $5 per Mbps per month.  Hint: you&#8217;ll recall that Sprint yanked their peering connection to them recently.  Yes, bandwidth costs might be -thought- to be predicated on OPEX/CAPEX for the upstream but more importantly they require cooperative pricing levels and charging what the market will bear.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimme a break. The chairman of the EFF is a board member of BitTorrent -- a company that makes its money by facilitating theft. I&#039;d trust any ISP before I would trust that organization.

Many of the posters above also forget that bandwidth costs money. A LOT of money anyplace outside the center of a major city. Even the biggest ISPs pay $30 per Mbps per month, at minimum, to get bandwidth to their hubs in your neighborhood. If you don&#039;t want it to be metered, you&#039;d better expect it to be throttled, because ISPs are not charities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimme a break. The chairman of the EFF is a board member of BitTorrent &#8212; a company that makes its money by facilitating theft. I&#8217;d trust any ISP before I would trust that organization.</p>
<p>Many of the posters above also forget that bandwidth costs money. A LOT of money anyplace outside the center of a major city. Even the biggest ISPs pay $30 per Mbps per month, at minimum, to get bandwidth to their hubs in your neighborhood. If you don&#8217;t want it to be metered, you&#8217;d better expect it to be throttled, because ISPs are not charities.</p>
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		<title>By: BobR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the ISPs want to go over to metering charges it should be done with a system where I pay a fixed fee for my connection and a per-unit one for my usage. If they want to toss in an initial usage allocation into the fixed fee, then it should be subject to a roll-over computation AND the allocation should be such that the cost leaves something left for the actual connection fee. Right now, if I want ONLY internet connection, I am charged $5 more for my internet than if I had it bundled with TV and/or Phone. Thus the actual cost to provide my connection BY THEIR OWN Fees is $5.

Under a connection and usage metering system, I might pay $5/month for my connection (even if I never use it) and then $X per GB of usage. If I use 100GB this month, I&#039;d pay $100X+$5. If I go on vacation and do not use it, I pay $5. The &quot;free allocation&quot; model might toss in a YGB allocation for the that $5 (but X times Y must be less then $5) and if I do not use my YGB allocation, my next month&#039;s usage should be reduced by my under usage [ie: The under usage is rolled over].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the ISPs want to go over to metering charges it should be done with a system where I pay a fixed fee for my connection and a per-unit one for my usage. If they want to toss in an initial usage allocation into the fixed fee, then it should be subject to a roll-over computation AND the allocation should be such that the cost leaves something left for the actual connection fee. Right now, if I want ONLY internet connection, I am charged $5 more for my internet than if I had it bundled with TV and/or Phone. Thus the actual cost to provide my connection BY THEIR OWN Fees is $5.</p>
<p>Under a connection and usage metering system, I might pay $5/month for my connection (even if I never use it) and then $X per GB of usage. If I use 100GB this month, I&#8217;d pay $100X+$5. If I go on vacation and do not use it, I pay $5. The &#8220;free allocation&#8221; model might toss in a YGB allocation for the that $5 (but X times Y must be less then $5) and if I do not use my YGB allocation, my next month&#8217;s usage should be reduced by my under usage [ie: The under usage is rolled over].</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just trying to add a bit of sensibility to the discussion.  What disturbs me is that I have to pay $65 a month for my 80 year old Aunt.  I am willing to complain about subsidizing people whose use is much greater.  

But a position that tries to put forward that bandwidth is free just doesn&#039;t hold water.

Its worth considering that the problem is predominately a regulatory one.  US broadband service depends upon competition to regulate price.  I dont know about you but I have a choice Comcast, RCN and Verizon FIOS.  Perhaps you haven&#039;t noticed, but FIOS has not resulted in any cost reduction.   Perhaps instead of blaming Comcast considering that everyone else pretty much takes the same money, you should question the effectiveness of the current regulatory environment.

But its easier to blame large and successful corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just trying to add a bit of sensibility to the discussion.  What disturbs me is that I have to pay $65 a month for my 80 year old Aunt.  I am willing to complain about subsidizing people whose use is much greater.  </p>
<p>But a position that tries to put forward that bandwidth is free just doesn&#8217;t hold water.</p>
<p>Its worth considering that the problem is predominately a regulatory one.  US broadband service depends upon competition to regulate price.  I dont know about you but I have a choice Comcast, RCN and Verizon FIOS.  Perhaps you haven&#8217;t noticed, but FIOS has not resulted in any cost reduction.   Perhaps instead of blaming Comcast considering that everyone else pretty much takes the same money, you should question the effectiveness of the current regulatory environment.</p>
<p>But its easier to blame large and successful corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: senshikaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>senshikaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AD:
We all know it takes alot of money to set up the infrastructure, but most of the cable and POTS infrastructure was built decades ago. 
I don&#039;t mind a company making a profit, but charging 50$/mo for 6mbps and a 250gB cap is highway robbery imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD:<br />
We all know it takes alot of money to set up the infrastructure, but most of the cable and POTS infrastructure was built decades ago.<br />
I don&#8217;t mind a company making a profit, but charging 50$/mo for 6mbps and a 250gB cap is highway robbery imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s funny about Comcast, was it was &quot;so&quot; important that they implement caps, for network management purposes, because, the top 1 of 1 percent was &quot;abusing&quot; the network. I don&#039;t recall them saying anything beyond that. And it was in response to the fact they tried to drop &quot;abusers&quot;, without defining what excessive usage was. If they were smart, they could have proved in court, through some other means, what &quot;network&quot; abuse was. Prior, they could have written their TOS in a fashion that gave them discretion. They just went about it wrong from the start. If they could have eliminated the &quot;abusers&quot; in a legal proof way, then maybe they wouldn&#039;t have caps at all. Otherwise, I&#039;ve heard nothing regarding metered billing from Comcast. Just give me my flat rate, and no caps, and leave me and the non-abusers alone. And, I agree with the poster about squashing entities like Hulu and Netflix. That&#039;s exactly what they are doing. They are in direct competition with them. Well, this is supposed to be the &quot;broadband&quot; administration elected 2008. We will see how much pull the administration has against the corporate behemoths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny about Comcast, was it was &#8220;so&#8221; important that they implement caps, for network management purposes, because, the top 1 of 1 percent was &#8220;abusing&#8221; the network. I don&#8217;t recall them saying anything beyond that. And it was in response to the fact they tried to drop &#8220;abusers&#8221;, without defining what excessive usage was. If they were smart, they could have proved in court, through some other means, what &#8220;network&#8221; abuse was. Prior, they could have written their TOS in a fashion that gave them discretion. They just went about it wrong from the start. If they could have eliminated the &#8220;abusers&#8221; in a legal proof way, then maybe they wouldn&#8217;t have caps at all. Otherwise, I&#8217;ve heard nothing regarding metered billing from Comcast. Just give me my flat rate, and no caps, and leave me and the non-abusers alone. And, I agree with the poster about squashing entities like Hulu and Netflix. That&#8217;s exactly what they are doing. They are in direct competition with them. Well, this is supposed to be the &#8220;broadband&#8221; administration elected 2008. We will see how much pull the administration has against the corporate behemoths.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad,

Nice rant, but none of this has anything to do with metered billing. The fact is metered billing is a money grab, an attempt to stifle iptv. It&#039;s as simple as that. The cable co&#039;s just want another way to increase their bottom line. It&#039;s a bad idea all the way around I hope it dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad,</p>
<p>Nice rant, but none of this has anything to do with metered billing. The fact is metered billing is a money grab, an attempt to stifle iptv. It&#8217;s as simple as that. The cable co&#8217;s just want another way to increase their bottom line. It&#8217;s a bad idea all the way around I hope it dies.</p>
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