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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING: EchoStar &amp; DISH to (finally) pay TiVo</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Aitchison</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-10/breaking-echostar-dish-to-finally-pay-tivo/comment-page-1/#comment-83341</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Aitchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think patent law as it stands today is in bad need of reform but without the basic idea of patents small companies/inventors would never stand a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think patent law as it stands today is in bad need of reform but without the basic idea of patents small companies/inventors would never stand a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexi</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-10/breaking-echostar-dish-to-finally-pay-tivo/comment-page-1/#comment-83340</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,
I&#039;m only off-base if you think I agree at all with patent law-- which I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,<br />
I&#8217;m only off-base if you think I agree at all with patent law&#8211; which I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Aitchison</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-10/breaking-echostar-dish-to-finally-pay-tivo/comment-page-1/#comment-83312</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Aitchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexi you are way way way off base on this one, TiVo did in-fact innovate.

If you look at the case TiVo came up with their product and approached many companies including DirecTV and Dish to see about licensing it.

DirecTV licensed it, but Dish declined to license, &quot;lost&quot; their evaluation unit and shortly afterward came out with their own &quot;DVR&quot;s which ripped off TiVo&#039;s.

TiVo is not a &quot;Patent Troll&quot; (ala NTP) they are a real company who came up with real innovations and then marketed those in actual products.

This is an example of the patent system actually working as intended, albeit over a much too long time period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexi you are way way way off base on this one, TiVo did in-fact innovate.</p>
<p>If you look at the case TiVo came up with their product and approached many companies including DirecTV and Dish to see about licensing it.</p>
<p>DirecTV licensed it, but Dish declined to license, &#8220;lost&#8221; their evaluation unit and shortly afterward came out with their own &#8220;DVR&#8221;s which ripped off TiVo&#8217;s.</p>
<p>TiVo is not a &#8220;Patent Troll&#8221; (ala NTP) they are a real company who came up with real innovations and then marketed those in actual products.</p>
<p>This is an example of the patent system actually working as intended, albeit over a much too long time period.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexi</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-10/breaking-echostar-dish-to-finally-pay-tivo/comment-page-1/#comment-83305</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats, Tivo.  Why innovate when you can litigate yourself into profitability?

Booo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats, Tivo.  Why innovate when you can litigate yourself into profitability?</p>
<p>Booo!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Connery</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-10/breaking-echostar-dish-to-finally-pay-tivo/comment-page-1/#comment-83302</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Connery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John--ick.

I&#039;m no apologist for the current Tivo interface.  Its obviously behind the times, with its heavy use of text and the somewhat painful inclusion of pointless advertisements.  Yet, its still an easy to use an acceptable interface for a DVR.

What it isn&#039;t at this point is an acceptable interface for anything else.  Subscribing to podcasts. listening to your music, browsing your photos, or even renting a movie are all painfully backwards compared to say the same experience on an Apple TV.  And I&#039;m not even sure the Apple TV&#039;s interface is that amazing...  but at least it has little pictures of the movie covers, and manages to sort the TV episodes into order, etc.

Obviously Tivo is focusing on their added value lately, i.e. all of the above.  And they&#039;ve got some work to do there...

Still, no love for EchoStar even though I don&#039;t think they violated Tivo&#039;s original patent (given that they simply record the already encoded digital stream...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211;ick.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no apologist for the current Tivo interface.  Its obviously behind the times, with its heavy use of text and the somewhat painful inclusion of pointless advertisements.  Yet, its still an easy to use an acceptable interface for a DVR.</p>
<p>What it isn&#8217;t at this point is an acceptable interface for anything else.  Subscribing to podcasts. listening to your music, browsing your photos, or even renting a movie are all painfully backwards compared to say the same experience on an Apple TV.  And I&#8217;m not even sure the Apple TV&#8217;s interface is that amazing&#8230;  but at least it has little pictures of the movie covers, and manages to sort the TV episodes into order, etc.</p>
<p>Obviously Tivo is focusing on their added value lately, i.e. all of the above.  And they&#8217;ve got some work to do there&#8230;</p>
<p>Still, no love for EchoStar even though I don&#8217;t think they violated Tivo&#8217;s original patent (given that they simply record the already encoded digital stream&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-10/breaking-echostar-dish-to-finally-pay-tivo/comment-page-1/#comment-83301</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, you may want to check this out: http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/29/potential-new-tivo-user-interface-shown-on-video/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, you may want to check this out: <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/29/potential-new-tivo-user-interface-shown-on-video/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/29/potential-new-tivo-user-interface-shown-on-video/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Robert, I guess we agree to disagree. In the beginning the tivo interface rocked.  But when the main interface is now covered with ads for the latest BMW car or whatever, that&#039;s to invasive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Robert, I guess we agree to disagree. In the beginning the tivo interface rocked.  But when the main interface is now covered with ads for the latest BMW car or whatever, that&#8217;s to invasive.</p>
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		<title>By: rainwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>rainwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ruling has nothing to do with Dish going to the TiVo software.  If the judge rules the current software still violates TiVo&#039;s patents, then the worse case scenario for Echostar (other than more penalties/fines) is they have to get into a license agreement with TiVo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ruling has nothing to do with Dish going to the TiVo software.  If the judge rules the current software still violates TiVo&#8217;s patents, then the worse case scenario for Echostar (other than more penalties/fines) is they have to get into a license agreement with TiVo.</p>
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