Comments on: TiVo v EchoStar: Boredom in the Courtroom http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/ All your digital media goodness. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:31:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Dave Zatz http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74097 Dave Zatz Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:54:50 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74097 Scott, I'm not listening to it all a second time. ;) I'm not sure what the format is <i>supposed</i> to be. But I think the format was slightly relaxed because of the amount of time TiVo (Waxman) was given to present and answer questions of the judges. TiVo had 15 minutes on the clock, but I think went 20 minutes beyond that. Scott, I’m not listening to it all a second time. ;) I’m not sure what the format is supposed to be. But I think the format was slightly relaxed because of the amount of time TiVo (Waxman) was given to present and answer questions of the judges. TiVo had 15 minutes on the clock, but I think went 20 minutes beyond that.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74096 Kevin Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:30:59 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74096 Yep, I heard that too, but I think only E* was allowed a rebuttal, which was partially cut off. As Dave said, all this legal jargon is lost on me. Is there a lawyer in the house, and did this entire episode really reveal anything about the judges' future decision? It sounds like E* was trying to minimize a # of key issues in the trial, hoping the judges will either force a retrial or at least remove a portion of boxes from infringement. Yep, I heard that too, but I think only E* was allowed a rebuttal, which was partially cut off.

As Dave said, all this legal jargon is lost on me. Is there a lawyer in the house, and did this entire episode really reveal anything about the judges’ future decision?

It sounds like E* was trying to minimize a # of key issues in the trial, hoping the judges will either force a retrial or at least remove a portion of boxes from infringement.

]]> By: Scott Schoenborn http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74092 Scott Schoenborn Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:08:38 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74092 Dave, thanks for posting. When listening to the mp3 above I noticed that it cut off the discussion without the TIVO lawyer having any rebuttal. Was this in fact all there was to the argument or did we miss some of the proceedings in the mp3 link above? Thanks, scott Dave, thanks for posting. When listening to the mp3 above I noticed that it cut off the discussion without the TIVO lawyer having any rebuttal. Was this in fact all there was to the argument or did we miss some of the proceedings in the mp3 link above?

Thanks,

scott

]]> By: Dave Zatz http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74088 Dave Zatz Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:44:37 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74088 That AP headline did surprise me... (but I'm not an expert or a even a novice in analyzing legal proceedings) That AP headline did surprise me… (but I’m not an expert or a even a novice in analyzing legal proceedings)

]]> By: hdtivo http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74087 hdtivo Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:42:30 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74087 Also, I think the headline: The Hearing Occured would sum up the event. I don't see anything unusual or anything indicative of the leanings of the Court in what I'm reading. Perhaps I'll hear something in the MP3 Also, I think the headline:

The Hearing Occured

would sum up the event. I don’t see anything unusual or anything indicative of the leanings of the Court in what I’m reading.

Perhaps I’ll hear something in the MP3

]]> By: hdtivo http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74086 hdtivo Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:38:10 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74086 I have no argument that E* did infringe to some extent on TiVo patent(s) (at least the patents as they were at the time...) But my shock is the nature of the damages award where TiVo gets $$ per box AND $$/month. The nature of the beast would seem to warrant only a small $$ per box award. I see no basis for a monthly royalty for using this type of technology in a product. I have no argument that E* did infringe to some extent on TiVo patent(s) (at least the patents as they were at the time…)

But my shock is the nature of the damages award where TiVo gets $$ per box AND $$/month. The nature of the beast would seem to warrant only a small $$ per box award.

I see no basis for a monthly royalty for using this type of technology in a product.

]]> By: Dave Zatz http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74081 Dave Zatz Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:58:24 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74081 <a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/member.php?userid=68272" rel="nofollow">Peteypete</a> posted a link to an MP3 of the oral arguments: http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oralarguments/mp3/2006-1574.mp3 Peteypete posted a link to an MP3 of the oral arguments:
http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oralarguments/mp3/2006-1574.mp3

]]> By: Anthony Borelli http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/comment-page-1/#comment-74080 Anthony Borelli Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:28:26 +0000 http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-10/tivo-v-echostar-boredom-in-the-courtroom/#comment-74080 What's Mark's affiliation? He's either heavily biased, or heavily medicated. Kudos to Kevin for his patience and diligence in responding to Mark's rants. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (some of my best friends are paranoids), but Mark seems to want his own set of facts, too. ;-) What’s Mark’s affiliation? He’s either heavily biased, or heavily medicated.

Kudos to Kevin for his patience and diligence in responding to Mark’s rants.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (some of my best friends are paranoids), but Mark seems to want his own set of facts, too.

;-)

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