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	<title>Comments on: TiVo, Macrovision, And The Stealth Broadcast Flag</title>
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		<title>By: meehawl</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2006-08/tivo-macrovision-and-the-stealth-broadcast-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-7559</link>
		<dc:creator>meehawl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not au fait with analog Macrovision protection - isn&#039;t it required by law in the U.S. for all analog recording devices? I do note that I can record DVDs onto my RTV5040 and play them back. So the Macrovision protection here seems quite loose. Attempting to re-record this has problems, indicating that an analog Macrovision spoiler signal has been inserted into the recording.

As far as I can see, the only copy protection on my 2001-era RTV5040 is that a show received from another Replay owner over the internet resides in a special &quot;Received Shows&quot; category that precludes me from re-sending it to another person. However, I can output that show using the analog feed and then input to Replay as a manual recording and then re-send it. I can also download it to any Java-enabled PC with DVArchive or Windows machine running WiRNS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not au fait with analog Macrovision protection &#8211; isn&#8217;t it required by law in the U.S. for all analog recording devices? I do note that I can record DVDs onto my RTV5040 and play them back. So the Macrovision protection here seems quite loose. Attempting to re-record this has problems, indicating that an analog Macrovision spoiler signal has been inserted into the recording.</p>
<p>As far as I can see, the only copy protection on my 2001-era RTV5040 is that a show received from another Replay owner over the internet resides in a special &#8220;Received Shows&#8221; category that precludes me from re-sending it to another person. However, I can output that show using the analog feed and then input to Replay as a manual recording and then re-send it. I can also download it to any Java-enabled PC with DVArchive or Windows machine running WiRNS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ordinant</title>
		<link>http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2006-08/tivo-macrovision-and-the-stealth-broadcast-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-6583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ordinant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After seeing this report in August, I put the movie &quot;A Flea in Her Ear&quot; in my Tivo wishlist to see what would happen if it showed up and was recorded.

A few weeks later, the movie did indeed show up, and was recorded completely normally, just like any other movie, with no copy protection flag whatever. Like Mr. Campos (who provided the screen shots above), my cable vendor is Comcast. In my case, it is Comcast New England; in Mr. Campos&#039; case, Comcast of Seattle. 

It is clear that it was not Tivo that incorrectly flagged the movie. Tivo responded to the flag that was incorrectly set by the local station or network channel that piped the movie to Comcast-Seattle for rebroadcast. Mr. Campos&#039; Tivo only did what it was contractually obligated to do when it finds the flag present. 

I understand that the underlying issue is: should Tivo respond to this flag at all when present -- whether the flag is correctly or incorrectly present? That question could well be discussed, but in much the same way that we could discuss our preferences for the horizon on which the sun sets. No matter what we decide is best, the sun is pretty much going to set in the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After seeing this report in August, I put the movie &#8220;A Flea in Her Ear&#8221; in my Tivo wishlist to see what would happen if it showed up and was recorded.</p>
<p>A few weeks later, the movie did indeed show up, and was recorded completely normally, just like any other movie, with no copy protection flag whatever. Like Mr. Campos (who provided the screen shots above), my cable vendor is Comcast. In my case, it is Comcast New England; in Mr. Campos&#8217; case, Comcast of Seattle. </p>
<p>It is clear that it was not Tivo that incorrectly flagged the movie. Tivo responded to the flag that was incorrectly set by the local station or network channel that piped the movie to Comcast-Seattle for rebroadcast. Mr. Campos&#8217; Tivo only did what it was contractually obligated to do when it finds the flag present. </p>
<p>I understand that the underlying issue is: should Tivo respond to this flag at all when present &#8212; whether the flag is correctly or incorrectly present? That question could well be discussed, but in much the same way that we could discuss our preferences for the horizon on which the sun sets. No matter what we decide is best, the sun is pretty much going to set in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Comcast digital cable box messes up occasionally and tags channels with &quot;widescreen&quot; or (rarely) &quot;content protection&quot; flags--even things like Sesame Street.  The digital boxes seem to have some problem, and I bet if Mr Campos had an analog connection, it wouldn&#039;t show the same restriction--it&#039;s the cable box&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Comcast digital cable box messes up occasionally and tags channels with &#8220;widescreen&#8221; or (rarely) &#8220;content protection&#8221; flags&#8211;even things like Sesame Street.  The digital boxes seem to have some problem, and I bet if Mr Campos had an analog connection, it wouldn&#8217;t show the same restriction&#8211;it&#8217;s the cable box&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: MegaZone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MegaZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meehawl - it may interest you to know that ReplayTV signed the same Macrovision contract as TiVo - only they did it a year BEFORE TiVo did.  TiVo held out longer.  ReplayTV does have Macrovision built in, and they touted that repeatedly in their own defense during the lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meehawl &#8211; it may interest you to know that ReplayTV signed the same Macrovision contract as TiVo &#8211; only they did it a year BEFORE TiVo did.  TiVo held out longer.  ReplayTV does have Macrovision built in, and they touted that repeatedly in their own defense during the lawsuits.</p>
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		<title>By: meehawl</title>
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		<dc:creator>meehawl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tivo&#039;s original competitor, ReplayTV, refused to kneel to the broadcast industries and got tied up in court for years. As a result Tivo seized the market. Tivo has been a DRM booster for years.

I am still happily enjoying my 2001-era ReplayTV. No copy protection, no expiration, automatic advert skipping, and lets me stream and send shows over the Internet at will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tivo&#8217;s original competitor, ReplayTV, refused to kneel to the broadcast industries and got tied up in court for years. As a result Tivo seized the market. Tivo has been a DRM booster for years.</p>
<p>I am still happily enjoying my 2001-era ReplayTV. No copy protection, no expiration, automatic advert skipping, and lets me stream and send shows over the Internet at will.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadly_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadly_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice.  So using my Tivo to catch my shows for a weeklong trip will be pointless.

Ever notice how people who have nothing better to do get rich finding ways to make it more difficult for those of us who are just trying to find a few minutes between work hours to unwind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.  So using my Tivo to catch my shows for a weeklong trip will be pointless.</p>
<p>Ever notice how people who have nothing better to do get rich finding ways to make it more difficult for those of us who are just trying to find a few minutes between work hours to unwind?</p>
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		<title>By: MegaZone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MegaZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had TiVo for 4.5 years, including the DVD burners since they came out.  The flags have never been an issue for me - I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen one come up.  These are almost always due to a glitch from the provider.

Every time these things pop up I get pissed off because I know what that means - a bunch of ill-informed chicken little responses around the net.  I saw a few already, linking back here.

The fact is most recording devices have Macrovision and these flags have popped up on non-TiVo devices, including PC capture cards.  So don&#039;t be too smug about avoiding them because you don&#039;t use TiVo.  Even MythTV could be caught if the card used does HW detection.

This will simply not be an issue for the vast majority, nearly all, TiVo users - or any DVR users.  It is nothing to get worked up about or to worry about.  Well, any more than DRM in general.  iTunes is more of a hassle then this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had TiVo for 4.5 years, including the DVD burners since they came out.  The flags have never been an issue for me &#8211; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen one come up.  These are almost always due to a glitch from the provider.</p>
<p>Every time these things pop up I get pissed off because I know what that means &#8211; a bunch of ill-informed chicken little responses around the net.  I saw a few already, linking back here.</p>
<p>The fact is most recording devices have Macrovision and these flags have popped up on non-TiVo devices, including PC capture cards.  So don&#8217;t be too smug about avoiding them because you don&#8217;t use TiVo.  Even MythTV could be caught if the card used does HW detection.</p>
<p>This will simply not be an issue for the vast majority, nearly all, TiVo users &#8211; or any DVR users.  It is nothing to get worked up about or to worry about.  Well, any more than DRM in general.  iTunes is more of a hassle then this.</p>
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		<title>By: mythtvuser</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythtvuser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is why I never bought a TiVo. Saw this coming miles away. Won&#039;t buy a TV with HDMI either. 
I second the motion to build your own PVR with MythTV. That&#039;s what I did. I have four tuners for recording and 750GB of storage. Plus I can burn my shows to DVD, store my music on the box, my pictures, video games, the list goes on and on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this is why I never bought a TiVo. Saw this coming miles away. Won&#8217;t buy a TV with HDMI either.<br />
I second the motion to build your own PVR with MythTV. That&#8217;s what I did. I have four tuners for recording and 750GB of storage. Plus I can burn my shows to DVD, store my music on the box, my pictures, video games, the list goes on and on&#8230;</p>
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